Case of the Missing Rabbits, Day Five

I wanted to post an update to let everyone know that 17 of the 18 rabbits that were stolen on January 8 have been returned to Levi Cole.

At 4am on Sunday, January 8, 18 rabbits were anonymously dropped on the doorstep of a volunteer who works for an organization called Rabbit Advocates.  Drops of this many rabbits, the spokesperson for Rabbit Advocates told us, are highly uncommon. The fact that 18 rabbits had been stolen from Levi Cole just hours before led all parties involved to come to the conclusion that these were Levi’s 18 rabbits.  Rabbit Advocates told us that they found homes for all 18 animals, before they knew that the rabbits were stolen property.  For the past week we have been in the process of negotiating with Rabbit Advocates and their lawyer over the return of the rabbits to their rightful owner–as anyone in possession of the rabbits was in possession of stolen property.  Today, at noon, we picked up 17 of the 18 rabbits from their lawyer’s office.  Eight of the Rabbit Advocate members  who took in the rabbits showed up to express their concern about the rabbits, and to also express that they had become attached to the rabbits.  The Portland Detective assigned to the case also showed up for the exchange. On an anonymous tip, news channel 2 showed up as well.

We appreciate that the Rabbit Advocates were willing to return the animals to their rightful owner. We also appreciate that the Rabbit Advocates members, so far as we can tell, very much took care of the rabbits while they were gone from Levi’s property.  In addition, we understand that Rabbit Advocates as an organization in no way condones the actions of the person who stole the rabbits and we believe them when they say that they were in no way involved with the theft. We also appreciate their concern for the rabbits, and want to assure them that while their owners raise them for different purposes than Rabbit Advocate foster homes do, they always have been and will be very well cared for.

The rabbits will be transferred to an undisclosed location, so that we can prevent any further theft or other related incidents.

As for the 18th missing rabbit.  The rabbit’s named is, coincidentally, Roger.  Roger’s name is tattooed on the inside of his ear.  The individual who took Roger in has had her lawyer contact Levi Cole. Both parties are currently in negotiations regarding the return of the final stolen rabbit.

Lastly, in regards to the person who actually stole the rabbits. An investigation is still underway.

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45 Responses to Case of the Missing Rabbits, Day Five

  1. Jacob says:

    It’s quite odd to see a species collapse on itself once it’s at the top of the food chain for so long. I had a good chuckle at “meat causes obesity” as if you have a steak and you’re automatically a slob who doesn’t take care of himself.

    Here’s a crazy fact- some people who eat meat care about their bodies and ingest the tasty flesh in order to absorb the protein, vitamins, and nutrients contained inside. This may come as a shock but not everybody wants to be a beta minded worms pushing a cart through a hole in the wall vegan mart, racking up a huge bill for food that contains half the protein you would find in meat that is half the price.

    You may think I hate animals after these statements, but you’d be wrong. I love animals, in fact the animals and I have an understanding. I eat them and absorb their coveted nutrients and lifeblood; just a portion of their power. In return they may fuse with a more powerful being, myself. The animals are more than happy to have an alpha like me as their man-host, and I won’t let them down, which is why I visit the gym four times a week during the hours most vegans are vegetable oiling up their boyfriends for a naked yoga session.

    Unlike vegans, I don’t wish to impose my beliefs on anyone else. I’ll continue to eat meat no matter how many Joaquin Phoenix narrated documentaries I watch. I assure you it all works out in the end. The animals are much happier morphing into a muscle fiber in the bicep of an anachronistic urban warrior rather than sliding down the pencil width neck of an 85 pound Whole Foods cashier wearing gauge earrings. Animals don’t need you, and they certainly do not want you.

  2. Miss Mabel says:

    This incident did bring awareness of PMC to me. I wasn’t aware of the organization until now. I have struggled with the idea of meat vs vegetarianism for awhile. Tried to be a vegetarian, but am not able. My digestive system cannot cope with a vegetarian diet. Let me say, I tried for 5 years to follow a low fat vegetarian diet. I have a daughter who cannot follow a vegetarian diet at all, she would die due to allergies to legumes and nuts. Yet at the heart of the debate is the question of is it more ethical to be a vegetarian than a non-vegetarian. I offer this thought, it is becoming recognized that for a truly sustainable eco-system, animals, and the consumption of animals plays a role.
    As for health, it is not the meat that causes health problems, it is the over consumption of meat treated with hormones, chemicals, etc whether through direct injection or through feed.
    To try to reduce the issue to PMC not being ethical or immoral because they won’t let the “rescuers” keep the rabbits is irrational. The rabbits were stolen. Baby rabbits died a horrible death. Anybody who aided in this senseless death is guilty of animal abuse in addition to a crime. Raising an animal for food is not animal abuse, it is life, it is the role that being is in for it’s particular life cycle. There is a huge difference between humane slaughter quickly done, to animals slowly starving and freezing to death. Shame on all those involved in the theft.

  3. Nathan Moomaw says:

    Glad to hear the rabbits were located and returned. I am also glad to have become aware of the PMC and plan to get involved in the near future.

    The moral judgments being declared in these comments are really, really intense and fueled by a lot of emotion. I hope people can look at this issue with open minds and calm hearts and try and understand that everyone here clearly values life and cares about animal welfare. The ethical debate should include this fact, because it suggests we actually have a lot in common.

    Humans are a part of nature, and as such we are constantly participating in the cycle of life and death whether we want to or not. The only way we can survive is by consuming life. We happen to be a species that can digest a wide variety of organisms, and therefore we have the luxury of choice when food is abundant. Those of us who have this luxury should be thankful, as many people throughout the country and across the world have limited food options and must eat whatever is available. So, the question that seems to be in discussion here is:

    “When humans are in a comfortable position to choose what forms of life to consume, which forms are the most ethical choices?”

    Some related questions are:
    – “What is sentience and how does it change the way an organism should to be treated?”
    – “How do our choices impact our health, our society, and our environment?”
    – “What is the best way to balance food production and healthy ecosystems on local, regional, and global scales? How does the consumption of plants affect that balance? How does the consumption of animals affect that balance?”

    If we try and discuss these questions in an objective and respectful way, it may allow for everyone to come to a deeper understanding of the issue.

  4. danny cooper says:

    here’s why i hate groups of people like vegans or religious zealots or animal rights fuckers. if you don’t like to eat meat or have chosen your preferred deity then great, happy for ya, go do YOUR thing, but please just shut up. no one asked for your opinions. people enjoy eating meat. animals are made of meat. therefore we must eat the animals. and as someone pointed out, small woodland creatures such as rabbits, rats, mice, etc. are just the chicken nuggets of the animal world anyway. and yes, i’ll eat damn near any animal as long as you cook his ass up right.

  5. Lida Savocchi says:

    Odd, I asked if the Rabbits had access to grass, the opportunity to forage and burrow, veterinary care, and large runs. Yet my question was not posted. I guess you aren’t taking great care of these beings after all.

    • Larry says:

      they are domesticated animals not wild. to much grass could kill them. it would be like taking a city person and turning them loose in the country to survive.

  6. Allison says:

    You people are repulsive ghouls.

    • Larry says:

      and you are not worth the oxygen you breath, see comments can be slandered around willy nilly. if that make you sleep better at night , so be it

  7. Liz says:

    EAW, how dare you scoff at ‘disposable society’ – people who abandon animals – when you support the UNNECESSARY killing of animals so their flesh can be eaten? Now that it is well-known (and supported by bodies such as the American Dietetic Association) that meat is not a necessary part of the diet in Western countries, and people of all ages can thrive without out it, killing animals for their flesh is just as wasteful, needless and morally reprehensible as abandoning or euthanizing a pet because it doesn’t match one’s new curtains. That is, eating meat in a developed country is a matter of taste, not need. It is no more than the frivolous disposal of the lives of sentient beings for transient pleasure. I beg you to consider the question: what does a ‘necessary evil’ become when it is no longer necessary?

    I would suggest it becomes, quite simply, evil. Thus meat, a ‘necessary evil’ in our impoverished past, has become an evil indulgence in the developed world.

    And for those who aim to teach their children that slaughtering rabbits and other animals they naturally have an affinity with is necessary… When I was 6 years old, I stopped eating meat and dairy products because I learnt about the killing and cruelty which is required to produce them. I am a happy, healthy long-term vegan and have never looked back. Unfortunately, one day your children will learn that you lied to them – a betrayal no child should ever have to feel.

    • EAW says:

      Demonizing eating meat doesn’t make make the arguements against it any better – it only makes the person making those arguments sound more hysterical. Meat is a part of a well-balanced diet – in fact, people who do not eat animal proteins (including meat, milk, eggs, seafood, and insects) suffer from diet deficencies. Why are you promoting a diet that keeps those who practice it weak, anemic, and dependant on artifical suppliments? How dare you practice such speciesism that you value a “cute” rabbit over a dairy calf, a locust, or a sea bass? Have you really no clue how many animals – birds, mammal and insects – die in order to provide the vegtables and grain you purchase? At least those who slaughter the animals they eat know the worth & reality of the animals they eat.

      As for your assertion of accepting a vegan lifestyle at the age of a toddler – firstly, you are welcome to your religion. I thank you for respecting those whose worship at a different altar. Secondly – that you decided on this at such a tender age does little to support the logic of such a decision (strikingly, neither does science) and more to give it the cast of an irrational choice made by a near-infant who had little concept of the realities of the world. In other words, I have a neice who refused to eat anything except fish sticks for nearly three months. I believe her choice was as enlightened as yours. Fortunately, at the advanced age of seven she has grown out of such a radical stance.

      I know and respect several vegetarians – none of which have demonstrated such a juvenial judgemental attitude towards those who disagreed with them. They are a credit to their convictions and a guiding light to the rest of humanity as well.

      I do feel sorry that your parents may have told you that your life did not depend on effort, pain, or sacrifice on the part of other beings. The childern I raise know that all life comes from effort, and that all things we enjoy come with some expense. There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch, and there is nothing gained without cost. Perhaps you will come to understand this as well, at some point.

  8. Lida Savocchi says:

    “The idea that a room full of smug, pugnacious, privileged, bourgeois would-be urban homesteaders might have been given another opportunity to jeer at some petty inconvenience really burns me.”

    Oh my this sure did crack me up! Truthfully, though, if someone really wanted to keep one of your rabbits, and after they spent time and money on the rabbits and got attached, why wouldn’t you let them keep said animal in trade for money?

    Anyway, with that said, having grown up around grandparents who raised rabbits, chickens, and pigeons for slaughter I really wonder what your idea of a good life is for these animals. What I am envisioning is rabbits stuck in small cages, without being able to run around in grass, burrow, or do many of the other behavior motor patterns that come naturally to them. Perhaps I am wrong though, and you do not keep them in wire bottomed small cages that they do not leave until time of death.

    Perhaps, the company founder is very humane. Perhaps she treats her rabbits the way she treats her family dog or cat. I have a sneaking suspicion though, that this is not the case.

  9. Summer says:

    I think what some of the people in the AR do not understand, is that these (were most likely) not rabbits destined for the table. They are livestock (just like cows, sheep, chickens) that are breeding stock. Only younger rabbits are eaten.

    It’s a significant investment to have rabbits as breeding stock that are selected for breed, size, shape, temperament…etc. These are not $5 a lb roasters. They are an investment.

  10. Daniela says:

    From everything I have read, it appears you are unwilling to even consider selling these creatures back to Rabbit Advocates. That is unreasonable. This offer was in a language you can understand–money and profit. Declining to sell these rabbits just makes you appear selfish and stubborn. Of course RA is attached to them…not only to they love rabbits, they sacrificed time and emotion rescuing them when they were abandoned. If they had not done so, your precious rabbits would have been, excuse the pun, dead meat. So, why not show that you do have the respect and compassion that you claim to have and let Rabbit Advocates adopt out these rabbits. I am certain some of you have pets that you love–the only thing that defines the difference between an animal we love and an animal we eat is how WE think of them….what our socialization with them has been. These rabbits have now been in a socialized relationship with someone who loves them. They should no longer be considered eligible for slaughter. Thank you.

    • EAW says:

      Daniela –

      Firstly, “sell back” implies that RA ever had proper title to the rabbits in the first place. They did not. They accepted stolen property, knew it was stolen property, and attempted to fence the rabbits.

      Secondly, if you would not let PMC keep their rabbits, why are you questioning PMC’s refusal to “sell back” the rabbits to RA? Surely they have as much right to choose who to hand over their animals to as any rescue organization. Perhaps they question the ethics of the people involved in RA.

      Finally – PMC puts time & emotional energy – including that of caring for these animals, and including the distress of the dead kits, which died as a result of the animals being stolen, and of RA not immediately returning the nursing dam – into their animals. They did so for far more than 5 days. Why does RA’s “emotions” take priority over that of PMC?

    • CK says:

      Well said. I would add, however, that since the good people at RA saved these bunnies lives that RA wouldn’t owe PMC any money at all for the bunnies.

  11. Sharon says:

    Obviously the concern of the rabbit rescue as with dog and cat rescues is the well being of the rabbits so of course they took good care of them! Rabbits like dogs and cats make wonderful companions which unless you bring them into your house and actually get to know them you would not know. Rabbits are amazing and wonderful creatures! So sad that you do not know this. Please give these unlucky rabbits a chance at living a fulfilling and happy life in loving forever homes. Give them a reprieve. Do the morally right thing.

  12. EAW says:

    Debra –

    Of course the rabbits are wanted! They are wanted by the people who raised them to be used as meat, as substance for growth and life. The people who raised them did not breed these rabbits ‘accidentally’ and then say ‘oh, we don’t want them any more’ – what a horrible thing to do. These rabbits were bred on purpose – just as are cows, goats, chickens, and all the other livestock out there. They are not *discards*.

    It is very sad to think that you have met animal owners who would dispose of animals – kill them, release them, or surrender them for adoption – just because they didn’t want the animals any more. That is a truly sad thing – a sign of a disposable society.

    There are livestock breeders who loose sight of this – and some people raise rabbits as pets and lose sight of it as well. But animals raised for slaughter are almost always not “unwanted” – they have a value and a purpose.

    It is not unreasonable to look at the ‘natural’ fate of a rabbit – food for hawks, foxes, and their offspring – and the different options available to domestic rabbits, and realize that keeping rabbits as pets is the most unnatural choice. Rabbits will be eaten at some point, by something. Swift humane slaughter by people who are trained in the task is surely better than having a fox start eating the rabbit while it is still alive, or a hawk carry the still thrashing animal back to its nest.

  13. Christina Womack says:

    Rabbit Advocates did what they were lawfully supposed to do by returning the rabbits….please do the ethical thing and do not slaughter them. By returning them back to RA you could give yourselves a big image boost.

    • EAW says:

      Given RA’s difficulty in following the law and their connections with theives and burgulars, it would highly unethical to put any animals in their care. By “returning” the rabbits to RA – as if RA ever legitmately held the rabbits in the first place – PMC would demonstrate that they could be manipulated by animal rights activists who attempted to fence stolen property and refused to assist with abandoned kits.

      • Warren U. says:

        I don’t agree. It’s not about concessions or connections. It’s about what’s best for the rabbits right now. Certainly a lot has gone down that has been reported on the internet. I heard of it and I’m not in the area. Given what the public knows and the attention given to the matter, the Portland Meat Collective could donate the rabbits to good homes without losing face. I suspect that the people at the meat collective might actually feel good about making a decision to let the rabbits live.

  14. kendra says:

    I’m a little bit surprise the meat collective didn’t use this opportunity to just let the rabbits go to a home.

    • JanH says:

      So if I liberate your car to a new home then you should give it to me right? How about your dog? If someone steals your dog then it’s theirs to keep and do with it what they want? There are laws to protect this from happening, not reward those stealing.

  15. CK says:

    And what about your guilt “io”??

    Oh, that’s right … you believe you have nothing to feel guilty about…


    • io says:

      You still didn’t address the point that the death of the small animals was a direct result of terrorists/thieves/liberators, or whatever you want to call them.

      Nope. No guilt; I’m not religious.

  16. Heather says:

    I’m pleased the stolen property was returned to the rightful owner. I am hopeful that the final animal is returned per the law, asap. If I lived closer to the area I would be interested in signing up for this class about proper butcher methods. I’ve been considering raising my own rabbits for home consumption and a hands on demonstration is surely much better for learning proper methods.

    For all those who have posted hateful and anti-meat eating arguments, seriously… has one person ever who strongly believed in one side or the other of this on going issue ever switched sides because of an internet bully typed in big letters repeatedly? No. I support your right to not eat whatever you don’t want to eat. I support my right to have the same choice. I 100% believe its hypocritical to eat a plant which can scream in uppersonic ranges and feel pain but at the same time speak down and abuse those who chose to eat animals protein.

    • CK says:

      Oh here we go again with the misguided & totally dishonest application of plant “screams” folks like you use to rationalize your eating of meat.

      Meat causes cancer, diabetes, obesity, heart problems, and all the other top dread diseases. Do your research.

      • JanH says:

        Funny – those things are all plus marks for rabbit, which is a dense, high protein, healthy meat that some heart doctors recommend as a lean meat. Perhaps doing research as to why people eat rabbit would be a good thing.

  17. ALR says:

    This is awful. Just let them be adopted. These are domestic house animals. What’s next, eating cats? Awful. Just disgusting. You should be ashamed. Also, the only reason those babies died is because the individual “caring” for them didn’t care enough to seek out a way to keep them alive.

    • RIC says:

      Well, now there’s a fallacy. The owner did everything possible to try and save the kits which the thief callously left exposed to the elements, but they were unable to locate a nursing rabbit (I am told that they DID call RA, by the way, asking if they might possibly have a wet doe, as well as many other rabbit breeders to try to find a foster) or to successfully handfeed these day old kits.

      These were not ‘domestic house animals’. These animals are breeding stock, not pets, and are loved and valued as such. Just because the circumstances are different than you would prefer does not mean that they are scorned or abused.

    • PacificViking says:

      You should be ashamed of your ignorance, and total lack of credibility, the reason those kits died is because one of your heroes decided to commit a CRIME, steal another persons private property and leave those babies behind without care to the harm THEY were causing them. Your animal rights activists are the ones who resigned those animals to die of starvation, not the farmer. Had your pillars of virtue and good judgment not trespassed and stolen away their mother those rabbits would still be alive., so don’t blame the farmer who actually had a vested interest in the well being of those animals, the people who attempted to “liberate” those rabbits from their rightful owner are the ones to blame.

      Also these are not “domestic house animals,” in fact the only reason these animals were domesticated in the first place was with the intent to be raised as food. Rabbits as pets grew out of rabbits being raised as livestock.

      Cats and dogs both (which other cultures find to be perfectly acceptable food items I might add) were domesticated primarily for other reasons policing vermin, protection of humans and to assist in the hunting of other animals among other things.

      These animals are no concern of your unless the owner treats them in way inconsistent with social norms and laws governing humane treatment, care and slaughter of livestock, otherwise it is none of your business what this farmer chooses to do with them.

      Step down off of your soapbox, no one wants to have their life choices belittled or character insulted and they certainly aren’t going to receive advice or admonishment from the person doing it, especially if they have no knowledge of the subject they are addressing and obviously little or no idea of what they are talking about.

  18. Dylan Powell says:

    Will you at least admit now that the baby bunnies story was bogus? The KATU story suggests that you contacted Rabbit Advocate in search of a foster. This story suggests that they contacted you first – and only days later after they had already rehomed the rabbits.

    • Portland Meat Collective says:

      I won’t admit it, Dylan. Because the story wasn’t bogus. I think if you call Rabbit Advocates yourself they will tell you that we left a message on their voicemail on Sunday, January 8 in search of a nursing mother. They then returned the call. It took several conversations before we and they realized that the rabbits they had received were in fact our rabbits. You can also talk to the first cop on the scene, who witnessed the baby rabbits. You can also talk to the neighbors, who have posted on Facebook that they saw the rabbits. Many news outlets have gotten details wrong. It’s your choice who to believe.

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  20. Billy McBillerson says:

    Dear PMC,

    I was deeply saddened by your recent loss of 18 rabbits intended for slaughter for your rabbit butchery class. The idea that a room full of smug, pugnacious, privileged, bourgeois would-be urban homesteaders might have been given another opportunity to jeer at some petty inconvenience really burns me.

    I would like to offer you, the Portland Meat Collective, my dog, Rufus, for you to slaughter. He is an old and kindly dog, yet not very useful to me outside of emotional attachment. I will be making a plea to the vegan community at large to give up their pet companions for you to better practice your craft. To this end, I will rent a large U-haul truck, pack it full of dogs, cats, ferrets, rabbits, turtles, fish, chinchillas, mice, rats, and all other non-human companions. I will bring these animals by at my earliest convenience.

    Hopefully this will begin to make amends between our communities. Sharpen your knives, folks. It’s going to be a long night.


    Billy McBillerson

  21. catherine showalter says:

    i support you 100% i also would like some personal contact. i have 2 silver fox rabbits (meat breeds) that are due the beginning of feb. I would like to donate some does not as meat but as breeders whos babies will be meat. I butcher my own and have since i was a freshman in highschool (now 26) my son is 6 and learning its a part of life. if you need any help with bunnies let me know i would be happy to lend and hand to teach my son and fellow 4h memeber that its a part of life just as we eat cow and pigs.

  22. Blark says:

    So you’re arguing that indirectly killing baby rabbits is bad, and people should feel guilty about it, but directly killing adult rabbits is fantastic, to the extent that the rabbits in question should be taken away from caring owners. How does that logic work?

    For fuck’s sake, you should have let the people compensate you for the rabbits and keep them at that point.

    • Johnny come Lately says:

      Yes, letting baby rabbits starve and freeze to death is bad. And it is wasn’t indirectly it was a DIRECT result of unlawful actions. The rabbits were not taken away from caring owners. They were stolen property that were returned to the rightful owners.

      Taking responsibility for your own food is fantastic. Giving the animals the best life possible and the best, humane death possible is fantastic!

      We raise meat rabbits and they are loved and cuddled and played with by me and my children. They have plenty of food and water, and toys and exercise and socialization. I love my rabbits. They are incredible, amazing animals. And we butcher them and eat them. They are still just animals.

      Our rabbits never go hungry, they are never bored, they are not stuffed into tiny cages, unlike most shelter or “rescue” animals. Our rabbits have a better life than most animals ever have. And, when the time comes, it ends quickly and humanely without them being mistreated, abandoned, or abused in any way. They don’t even know it’s coming. It’s instant.

  23. Deborah says:

    PLEASE don’t kill them! Clearly they are wanted. They are living BEings. I’ll take any and all of them anyone doesn’t want. Give them up. Think of the PR.

    • Chris says:

      PLEASE, kill them! Clearly they will be delicious. They are living beings, as all human food is at some point. I’ll eat any and all of them you don’t want. Put them in by belly. Think of the hungry gourmets…

      All kidding aside though. I’m glad these rabbits were returned. The irony of the irresponsible and misguided thieves inadvertently killing the baby rabbits clearly underlines their lack of comprehension of the issues they are trying to tackle.

    • Andy says:

      The Portland Meat Collective is already getting great PR. I hadn’t heard of them before this, and now that I have I’m seriously considering taking a class.

      I think it’s sad those baby rabbits died for nothing. That to me is way worse than animals being humanely slaughtered to feed people.

    • Susey Queue says:

      They were clearly wanted by their rightful owners before they were stolen. If you want rabbits, go buy/raise your own. These people didn’t have these rabbits accidentally because no one wanted them. It takes a lot of time, money, and careful effort to get a good breeding stock of meat rabbits.

      Clearly they are still wanted by the owners.

  24. io says:

    Well, good news.

    That’s great; I suppose the guilt of the thieves (or in some of these people’s parlance, “liberators”) inadvertently killing the babies caught up to them.


    • Deborah says:

      Right. It’s so much more honorable to raise them, get them to feel safe and trust you, THEN kill them. And in front of a bunch of heartless ignorant rednecks in a class. Right. Ridiculous. Why are you people allowed to breed?

      • RIC says:

        Deborah…I’m confused. Would you rather they be tortured, actively abused, live in fear and then die a wretched death?

        It IS far more honorable to raise them well, treat them kindly, have them be used to being handled and examined, and then—nothing. The lights go out and that’s all there is. No pain, no fear, no struggle.

        I’d far rather see people taught the correct methods for humane raising and slaughter than to stumble through it in ignorance, causing the animals pain or fear.

        The majority of animal owners who kill their own animals for any reason with whom I have spoken say that the emotional involvement is significant. Most of these people state that they apologize to the animal, give it something special before slaughter, or actually pray at the time of death. These people also strive to use every last bit of each animal so that nothing is wasted, everything is honorably utilized.

      • io says:

        Are you just here to name-call or totally miss my point?

        They stole the adults that inarguably killed the babies.

        That’s an undeniable fact. Would you care to refute the utter irony of stealing them with the documented outcome? What, the bunnies were acceptable losses now? (*insert facepalm icon here*)

        How do you know I’m not an educated Leftist city-dweller, and abhor the Right wing? You said everyone who butchers is a heartless ignorant redneck? That’s called an ‘assumption’, and frankly, you’re flat wrong.

        I eat meat; you spout non sequiturs just like every other anti-carnivore here.

        Extremists on the Left and Right should just kill each other off.</b